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08/16/2006

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Justiceiro

One reason to oppose it, other than the fact that it blocks the view, is that it is an ugly mosrosity designed by a jumped up architect rather than an artist.

I had ambigious feelings about this memorial the first time I saw it, when it was in DC, colored black, and called the Vietnam War Memorial.

This is totally derivative, cheesy, pathetic, and antithetical to everything that it is attempting to memorialize and to the spirit of Art itself. The Architect seems to make a career out of constructing 9/11 kitsch- google him for some other crimes against good taste.

25mc Watchdog

This is a "me too" monument. The McGreevey administration wanted to create a memorial of significant size and grandeur to compete with the proposed memorial in NYC. The committee appointed by McCreevey officials in Trenton to select the design were disconnected from the site, and did not elicit input from people that frequent the park.

There were dozens of impassioned speeches at the public meeting in Liberty State Park on 8.17.2006 from 6:30 PM to the Park Closing at 10PM. The consensus:
Should there be a 911 memorial in LSP? Yes
Should the memorial block the view of Ground Zero? No

Photos and comments are available at the 25mc Blog: http://25mc.com

Editor

That sounds about right for McGreevey, 25mc -- really did a lot for his legacy, right? I wish I could have made it to the meeting last night, but I've been quite sick this week. Seems like it was a tempered "success."

To expand on your point about the folks appointed to select the design: The committee of experts was made up of some people who don't even live in New Jersey, much less anywhere near LSP. And the Familes Committee -- well, as we say in our story, we don't know who the fuck they are. Some of them have come forward in articles in the Star Ledger, but what about the rest? I'd at least like to know their names.

Everyone who opposes this memorial should contact Corzine's office and request an open public meeting.
http://www.state.nj.us/governor/govmail.html

Rick Cahill

If any of you had bothered to attend the groundbreaking 2 years ago, you would know who was a member of the Family Members and Ssurvivors committee. Where the heck have you people been for the past 4 1/2 years or do you all let Sam Pesin drag you around by the nose?

Editor

We're certainly not interested in having Sam Pesin drag us around by the nose, nor were we interested in attending the groundbreaking. Does that mean we're not entitled to know?

rick cahill

No, it means you were not really interested in what goes on at Liberty State Park unless you can create some controversy for no reason at all. Again, where were all of you for the past 4 1/2 years?

Editor

Rick,

Your logic fails to impress.

Indeed, we are interested in what goes on at Liberty State Park. That's why we wrote the story. Whether or not we attended a "groundbreaking" 2 years ago, and the fact that we are a new news organization does not preclude us from caring. That's just a ridiculous argument.

We're not interested in creating "controversy for no reason at all" -- we're interested in open government, transparency and some fiscal responsibility here.

Rick Cahill

My only remaining question is the winning design was publicly announced, with many members of the press both print and television, in July of 2004 at the New Jersey PAC in Newark. This included a scale model of the Memorial and a lengthy verbal description from the architect.http://www.aia.org/aiarchitect/thisweek04/tw0709/0709nj_memorial.htm
With all of that information available to the public, I just wonder why, 2 years later, there are complaints about the design and location of the Memorial. I would like to think you understand my level of frustration since a great amount of time and effort has been spent by me and the committee to chose the right design for the park. (You should have seen the ones we rejected!) We really did have the best interests of the park in mind. If we and the State knew sooner that FOLSP hated the design, maybe we could have relocated the entire project. If the FOLSP had voiced concern earlier, we could have brought them into the discussions. As it is now, there were no complaints until the early, early part of construction began when the mound was established. When the knoll is reduced to its final height, FOLSP will see the beauty of the Memorial and appreciate the enhancement to the Park.

Editor

Rick,

I do understand your frustration, absolutely. Your observation on the timing of the opposition also rings true. I think that's where City Belt and many of the people (and, if I read Sam Pesin correctly, FOLSP) differ on reasons for being against the memorial. The Friends and many local people are upset about the height and the view, and things of that nature. City Belt is upset that the state is paying for a second memorial to 9/11 victims in the park.

We grant you that it was a terrible tragedy, and I'm sure your pain runs deep. But the people of our state and our country and our world suffer innumerable tragedies that never get memorialized. And so we are against the entire idea of this memorial, and, had we been a news organization when McGreevey announced it, would have spoken out against it then.

Justiceiro

I think the problem, Rick, is that construction activity in Jersey City was anounced at the NJPAC in Newark. I don't live in Newark, and in fact had no idea that anything was being built until a giant mound of dirt was dumped in my favorite park. If you are going to build something in the middle of my park, its your duty to inform me, not mine to ferret out something that isn't obvious.

Additionally, calling this thing an "improvement to the park" is quite unbelievable. Its clear that the architect who designed it is a hack- as I said before, his firm seems to have cashed in big time on the fashionability of ostentatious mourning and has designed a number of 9/11 memorials- each one schlockier than the last.

Will someone please address the fact that this memorial, beside being useless and irrelevant, is ugly and poorly done? I really can't make any bones about it- this design is a piece of crap.

The only memorial any of us who live here need is a walk down to the watere to lok at were the WTC stood. It's our neighborhood, we don't need a pretentious set of memorial walls to remind us of what has happened here.

I am reminded of what Carlos V said when he saw the effects of the "renovation" of the Mosque at Cordoba.

"You have built what you or others might have built anywhere, but you have destroyed something unique in the world."

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